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Forum Studenti •Disugualianze non chiare
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Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 14 febbraio 2016, 21:13
da g.spinelli
Dimostra che non converge assolutamente

[tex]\int_{0}^{+\infty}{{\frac{x^{2}-x+1}{{(1+x^{7})}^{\frac{1}{3}}}e^{sin(x)}|cos(x)|dx}[/tex]

la prima disuguaglianza che viene usata nella soluzione è questa che vale per ogni [tex]x[/tex] maggiore di un certo [tex]x_{0}[/tex]:

[tex]{\frac{x^{2}-x+1}{{(1+x^{7})}^{\frac{1}{3}}}e^{sin(x)}|cos(x)|\geq\frac{|cos(x)|}{x}[/tex]

e questa credo di averla capita, la seconda invece che non ho capito come l'ha stabilita è questa:

[tex]\int_{(n-1)\pi}^{n\pi}{\frac{|cos(x)|}{x}dx}\geq\frac{1}{n}\int_{0}^{\pi}{|cos(x)|dx}=\frac{2}{n}[/tex]

L'integrale dunque diverge per confronto con la serie armonica. I passaggi logici sono ok. Ma la seconda disugualianza in particolare non ho capito perché vale e da dove è stata tirata fuori.
Grazie mille in anticipo.

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 14 febbraio 2016, 23:27
da Carmine
La seconda disuguaglianza cosi com è scritta è falsa. Se però al posto di [tex]1/n[/tex] metti [tex]1/(n \pi)[/tex] l'obiettivo lo raggiungi lo stesso, e la disuguaglianza è banalmente vera :)

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: lunedì 15 febbraio 2016, 16:23
da Massimo Gobbino
Sicuro di aver capito bene la prima? Prova a spiegarla per conferma.

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 21 febbraio 2016, 16:31
da g.spinelli

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 21 febbraio 2016, 17:27
da Carmine
Beh, guarda bene quanto può fare [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex] nell'intervallo in cui stai integrando... :D

Comunque si, il motivo per la prima disuguaglianza è quello: [tex]e^{\sin(x)} \ge e^{-1}[/tex] ovunque, e in più, per [tex]x \to \infty[/tex], il polinomio [tex]p(x)[/tex] va come [tex]x^{-1/3}[/tex]. Esiste dunque [tex]M>0[/tex] tale che, per [tex]x>M[/tex]:

[tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{x} \le e^{-1} p(x)[/tex]

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 21 febbraio 2016, 17:43
da g.spinelli
Probabilmente mi sto perdendo in un bicchier d'acqua ma è proprio il passaggio algebrico che non mi è chiaro, graficamente ci sono. ma quali sono i passaggi algebrici che mi permettono di tirare fuori 1/[tex](n\pi)[/tex] dall'integrale e di rimanere con l'integrale da 0 a pi greco di |cos(x)| moltiplicato 1/[tex](n\pi)[/tex]?

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 21 febbraio 2016, 18:01
da Carmine
Allora... siano, per ogni [tex]n \ge 1[/tex]:

- [tex]g(x)=|\cos(x)|[/tex];
- [tex]f(x)=1/x[/tex];
- [tex]h_n(x)=1/(n\pi)[/tex].

Tutte le funzioni citate fino ad ora sono non-negative in [tex][0,+\infty[[/tex]. Per [tex]x \in [(n-1)\pi,n\pi][/tex], si ha:

[tex]\displaystyle \frac{1}{n\pi} \le \frac{1}{x} ,[/tex]

dunque per ogni [tex]n \ge 1[/tex]:

[tex]f(x) g(x) \ge h_n(x)g(x)[/tex]

nell'intervallo [tex][(n-1)\pi,n\pi][/tex]. A questo punto integri e concludi.

Re: Disugualianze non chiare

Inviato: domenica 21 febbraio 2016, 21:34
da g.spinelli
Grazie mille!! Ora è tutto chiaro! Grazie davvero per la disponibilità e la chiarezza! :)